DEF CON 23 – Panel – DEF CON 101: The Panel

By Brian Lemay 1 comment


So, awhile back, a friend of
mine (inaudible) started DEF CON 101, he wanted to let people
know that, you know, if you haven’t been here before, this
is what you can expect. There was a lot — a lot of it was
fun, some of it was, you know, serious, but either way
ultimately what it did, was it set the ground rules so that you
understand what you’re doing when you’re at DEF CON. Who here
has never been to DEF CON before? That’s awesome. >>
That’s amazing. (Applause). >>You guys have no idea how
awesome that is >>That is awesome. >>This is DEF CON.
I’m a newb, everybody was a newb at something at sometime, as
they said on adventure time, sucking at something is the
first step to being good at it. So, with that, I just want
everybody to know, you are in a community. Everybody at some
point didn’t know how to do something at sometime. The
awesome thing about DEF CON is there are a lot of volunteers
here. These are people who want to help you. Now, some of them
are going to want to help you get from room to room, some are
going to want to help you actually understand stuff.
We’re going to go over all kinds of cool stuff about DEF
CON. And we’re going to go over a few rules, too. First, welcome
to Las Vegas. Pace yourself, you’ve got a few days, so you
don’t want to end up like this guy. It’s actually pretty
important. Stay hydrated. You are in the desert. Try to keep a
good balance. You know, I’m not saying don’t have a good time,
because you truly, honestly want to have a good time. And having
a few beers, having some drinks, that’s good. But don’t go
overboard, because, first of all you don’t want to miss awesome
talks, and second of all, you certainly don’t want to be hung
over in the desert. That sucks (Laughter). >>All right.
There’s important things need to know. The countdown, we’re going
to countdown to three. Three. You’re going to get three hours
of sleep a night at least. Without this sleep you are not
going to be able to function, trust me. The first year that I
was here, I was on Capture the Flag, we operated in 12-hour
shifts. The second year that I came to DEF CON, we did Capture
the Flag, and it was 36 hours straight. Yeah. And then I slept
through the rest of DEF CON, it was awesome. >>He’s never
actually recovered either. (Laughter). >>So get at least
three hours sleep a night. You’ve got to be able to
function. You need at least two meals a day. You definitely want
to make sure that you have your energy up. Because there’s a lot
of walking. I did 20,000 steps yesterday. By 11 o’clock I had
done 10,000 of those steps. So, you know, this is one of those
things. You need to keep your energy up. One, everybody needs
to bathe at least once a day — please. (Applause). >>Brush
you’re teeth. This is something that some people sometimes
forget. You are in the desert, you are going to get stinky. So,
even if you don’t recognize that you’re stinky, recognize that
your fellow human may recognize that you’re stinky, so, please,
take that bath. DEF CON crud. How many of you have left a
conference and then you were sick on the way home — and you
were like I must have got something at the hotel. Must
have got something on the airplane. Uh-uh, you got
something at the conference. Fist your friends. Feel free.
Fist every single one of them, it’s going to be good for you.
>>It feels so good, too. >>Trust me, you know, I had to pee
really bad, so I was running around trying to get here on
time and I watched three guys leave the bathroom without
washing their hands. I know. Come on dude. >>Are they on
the Stage? >>No. So, help me out here, don’t be a Dick. We’re
going to say this after a few of these slides. This is Dick, as
you can see Dick is an evil hacker, evil hackers are always
depicted as either having hoodies or a ski mask and — or
a black hat. >>Hey. >>Here is some of the basics. Hold the
door. You’re not the only person in this conference. I don’t know
if you’ve noticed, there’s a lot of people around, there’s a lot
of people in the hallway, so hold the door. Try and keep your
head up. Please. You know, it’s fun when I’m standing on the
side and watching people walk into other people because
they’re buried in their phone, or their buried in their tablet,
or buried in the program, but try and keep your head up and
pay attention. And for God’s sake, don’t hold a family
reunion in the middle of the hall. There isn’t enough room
for everybody to be able to do that. So, if you get an
opportunity and you recognize, oh, there’s more than two of us,
let’s step to the side. So don’t be a Dick. Do not be an ass hat.
Do not ruin everybody’s time. You know, everybody is here to
have a good time, we’re here — you know, we’re here to learn,
we’re here to meet friends, we’re here to keep up with
friends, but the object here is to have a good time. And there
are a few people — a few people, few bad seeds, that are
going to try and ruin everybody’s good time. Don’t be
one of them. Because, you know, we’re okay, we’re cool, this
room is cool. There are people that aren’t cool, and if you’re
an ass hat to them, they’re going to be an ass hat to you
back. And you just don’t want that karma coming around.
Please, do have hackle. You’re welcome to hackle me, this is an
interactive talk, if anybody has anything they want to say at any
point, there should be two microphones. You know, feel
free, get up. If you don’t want to get to the microphone, stand
up, hold your hand up, let me know and shout it out. >>Can I
have a hug? >>After the talk. (Laughter) — after the talk.
(Laughter) –remember, see the previous slide. >>That was an
ass hat (Laughter). >>All right, this is one that
everybody, you know, my shirt, free hugs here, awkward hugs,
because not everybody wants you to hug them. I — my boss is
here, he probably does not want a hug from me, you know, you
know, and I just met his nephew, he probably does not want a hug
from me. If I offered them a hug they may actually take it, and
then it’s an offered hug — and you know that will — ask
permission. Phones. Who has an android phone? (Laughter). Don’t
hold it up. (Laughter). This has been a bad week for android.
Dude, my iPhone friends are trying to send me messages, and
I’m not downloading them. There are a lot of people here; there
are a lot the phones here; there are a lot of cameras here.
Expect to be in a picture. Not everybody wants to have their
picture taken, but we understand that. But, you know, there are
going to be times where you’re in a crowd, you’re in a public
place, somebody may take your picture. If they do, kindly go
up and ask them to delete it if you don’t want them to have it.
Otherwise, expect there, you know, your face may show up
somewhere. There’s a lot of press here, I think there’s a
record number of press here this year, there are film crews and
all kinds of other things. You may end up on TV, you may end up
in a movie, you could end up on this guy’s camera. >>Which all
goes back to the, don’t be an ass hat, too. >>You know, if
you do end up on any of these and you don’t want to, just let
the guy know. Here is one — not everything is free. Notice I put
this one in fine print. Just because you see something laying
out doesn’t mean it’s free. Especially, you know, you’re
going to go into the vendor area, you’re going to go into
some of the contest and villages, they’ve got stuff
laying out. It doesn’t mean that it’s yours to take or touch. You
know, so make sure that it’s appropriate if you’re doing
something, yes, stand up. >>If you find an USB stick on the
ground? (Laughter) >>You didn’t happen to be a black hat
did you? >>Those of you, didn’t hear over the laughter,
he said, if you find an USB stick on the ground, please, by
all means, pick it up and then put it in your personal computer
to read and see what it is. (Laughter) if you have a work
computer and you do government work on it — by all means
(Laughter) because my social security number information
isn’t out there enough, I think 5 billion Chinese people, I
think most of them have it now. So, (Inaudible) — there’s a lot
of stuff going on here, you have a black program in your bag and
it’s got all the talks. And you’ll notice, this room filled
up, there are people that didn’t make it in. There are people
that standing, and boy is it going to suck because you guys
got another 80 minutes to stand. But, you know, so try to have a
plan, make sure that you know what you’re going to do. Feel
free. Don’t be afraid to camp out. If you see a talk and it’s
not necessarily a talk that — it’s okay — it may or may not
be a good talk — and we’re going to get to that in a
second, but, you know say it’s a talk that you don’t want to
tend, but the one afterwards you do, and you know that there’s
going to be a line around the corner, consider camping out.
>>You’re killing me Smalls, you know that. >>What’s that?
>>You’re screwing with my system (Laughter). >>Now, the
talks. There is no such thing as a bad talk. I can tell you from
the Call From Papers Review Board, there is such a thing as
a bad talk. But the approved talks, there’s no such thing as
a bad talk. Just because you don’t like it, doesn’t mean it’s
bad. Just because you think you know, doesn’t mean that
everybody knows. In fact, that is probably the two most common
things that I hear in the hallways. Oh, that talk is going
to suck, or everybody knows that shit. It’s not the case. Not
everybody knows it, and not everybody is thinking that this
is going to suck, so, you know, if you don’t like it, that’s
awesome, you’re entitled to that privilege and opinion, but don’t
try and, you know, mess it up for anybody else. See the assets
line. There are a lot of villages this year. Villages are
awesome, because villages are where you can go and get
hands-on. Notice the villages come after the talks. A lot of
the talks are going to play into the villages. You’re going to
see a lot of different things. Whether there’s a biohacking
talk or a car hawking talk, or let’s go down to Internet of
Things talk. There’s all kind of IOT talks, and now you can go to
these villages, you can hear additional talks at those
villages and you get some hand’s on experience, too. Especially
help Hardware Hacking Village, Crypto & Privacy Village,
Lockpick Village, Social Engineering Village, if you
haven’t stopped there, you have to there at least once, leave
your wallet in your pocket. >>Just so you know the SE village
actually does have stuff going on today. So, you can go over to
Bally’s and get in there and they do have activities and
talks and that kind of stuff happening today. >>Thank you,
sir. And, of course the Wireless Village. There’s a Wireless
Capture the Flag — please, sir, you just came, in come up front.
He looks lost. (Laughter) Is that the monopoly man? Now,
contests and events. There are way too many contests and events
to list, I’m not going to — you know, I’d like to hear some
highlights — here’s the highlight — Lost Challenge.
Lost Challenge is one of the hardest challenges there is. It
will take all of your time. Anything that you have access to
at DEF CON probably contributes to Lost Challenge. Anything that
somebody else has probably contributes. I’ve got a goon
badge, this helps, makes noise, too. I’ve got a vendor badge,
vendor badge helps. I’ve got a speaker badge. It all
contributes. So, you know, get out and meet people, ask them,
if you’re going to participate in this, I highly encourage you
to try and meet somebody. What are you guys drawing? >>What?
Dude you didn’t even tell a joke. You can’t drop the mic.
Swag is opened today, Vendors opens tomorrow, this is a
awesome, DEF CON is unique. Obviously, we’ve got DEF CON
branded stuff, but for a conference, computer security
conference, hacker conference, we have a vendor area. It’s
actual vendors. This isn’t like DEF CON — it’s not RSA, it’s
not any place like that. When you go in, you can buy stuff. We
don’t intend to have it be an area where, you know, you’re
overwhelmed by bright lights and lots of stuff that you’re never
going to be able to afford, you may never even use. Now, we’ve
got guys that, everybody in there contributes something to
the community and so, you know, it opens tomorrow, and I think
that you guys will like it. Prepare to separate yourself
from your money. Demo labs in the workshops are new to DEF CON
this year. Demo labs, they’re a brief introduction into, you
know, different tools and projects, and workshops are
training opportunities. The workshops are actual hands-on,
48 hours of training opportunities that you just
can’t get. If you were a black hat, any of you that wear a
black hat, you know, $4,000 for a class, it might not be — $50,
it could be free for the for the workshops. So if you didn’t sign
up, consider signing up. >>They’re full now though. >>
They’re full now? (Laughter) — if you didn’t sign up, consider
signing up next year. >>Or camp out. That’s what I heard
was good, too. Just camp out.>>So, I have a group of people
that are sitting up here. And the reason that I asked them to
come up is because, as much as I love to hear myself talk, I want
you guys to get some more feeling of and understanding of,
you know, what’s involved with being at DEF CON, how do you get
involved, how do you participate, what can do you to
participate, so these guy are going to give you some
experiences. Some are going to be experiences, some are going
to be — this is what I do in my department, some are going to be
— I have one — this is brand new on the panel, we actually
have an attendee, one of you guys that we asked to
participate. Yup. Down at the end. And he’s going to give you
a story about, about you know, how he got into DEF CON, and
it’s actually pretty inspirational story. So, we’re
going to start it off, not in this order. I’m going to start
with Russ because he’s sitting next to me and Russ is going to
give you whatever he wants to give you. >>RUSS ROGERS: Who
wants a fist? There you go. >>That’s not where I want it. >>
RUSS ROGERS: My name is Russ, I’m the Chief of Operations for
the conference. I scared Nikita off. I have been here, this is
my 17th DEF CON in a row. I’m not a newb any more. Basically,
it excites me to see all the new attendees come every year,
because I think it adds a lot intellectually, creativity, your
experiences, your inputs, your insights, your research — I’m
going to go tell you the same thing that everybody up here is
going to tell you, and you’re going to get tired of hearing it
before this talk is over, and you will get out of DEF CON what
you put into it. And I helped, over the years, get a lot of
these activities, the villages, contests, started. And the
people that have the best fun, the people that are out there
really writing cool blogs or doing cool research, or people
that actually got involved, met people, made new friends and did
cool stuff. You don’t have to be a jerk to learn a lot of cool
stuff, so I want you to go out, do a lot of things, learn a lot
of things, I brought my kids for the first time this year. After
17 year that’s should tell you something. I haven’t been really
comfortable with it in the past. You know, DEF CON of old was
different. It was a bunch of us that got together, you know, I
started DEF CON 6, it was at the Plaza, I think we had about
three or 400 people there. And if you think about it, that’s
about the population of this room, maybe. And that was the
entirety of DEF CON 6, and everybody sat around, and we did
a lot of hacking, and we learned a lot of things. I mean, there
were people sitting down showing other folks how to make a
network cable. Because at the time, that was still a fairly
new thing unless you were in the field. There was, you know,
switching and routing, and all of this interesting stuff, and
they were still writing Window’s exploits that you could do
across the Internet and break boxes. And people sat around and
had conversations. So if you want to have the most fun you
can possibly have here, aside from the (Inaudible) thing —
seriously, get involved and do stuff. And the red shirts, if
you have a question, ask them. You know, I’ve directed more
people this morning to where things are or to answer
questions, I love doing it. Because if you’ll get involved
and you’ll go do things, that’s why I do this. >>Thank you,
Russ. So, you know, Russ is right, ask. Meet people. I just
got a business card today, it’s actually kind of fun, for an
International DEF CON meet up. One of cool things, is DEF CON
is international, there are a lot of people here, but you may
not recognize that there’s somebody that’s here that speaks
your language, that, you know, and we all have something in
common and that’s the technology, but there’s also the
fact that we can find that other people speak the same language
so that we’re more comfortable. So feel free, ask around. Nakita
is awesome. >>Shit. >>She’s not going to tell you that she’s
awesome. But she is. >>She’s amazing. >>Nakita runs the
back of the house. And you know, she (Inaudible) of people and,
you know, to have Nakita be able to organize this stuff, for
those of you that don’t know, we start planning this in
September. >>(Laughter). >>So we will be — (Laughter). >>
That’s awesome. >>It’s N-I-K-I-T-A. >>No, it’s not.
>>That’s exactly what I have in my phone. >>Yes, that is
now perfect. >>Back door crew member (Laughter). Give us a
little idea of — >>(Laughter) (Laughter). >>IKEA.
(Applause). >>I love you big sis. (Laughter).>>I’m just
going to take that with grace and move on. (Laughter) What did
you ask me? (Laughter). >>Give me a — you know, yesterday we
were talking a little bit about the things that you do, the
things that people don’t recognize, that don’t understand
what it takes to make this happen. >>Just do a list. In
binary. >>It takes patience and, a love for all of you
fuckers, because, if I didn’t have that feeling of belonging,
I would not work, you know, 16-20 hour days sometimes, or
you know, answer guys at major browsers at three in the morning
to register them for a workshop on a Sunday. Because I’m doing
it manually by e-mail (Laughter). I do the CFP review
board, I manage when you submit a talk to speak here, I am the
one who gets it, and then passes it to the board, and handles all
your questions for speaker (Inaudible) — I help plan
pretty much every aspect of scheduling, floor plan,
workshops. I’ve started numerous contests and events, but here is
the thing that I do, I don’t have time to do them, I just
want to give you a really good idea and you will run it. I’m
relatively good at that. I don’t know. I don’t know, I do a lot
of prep, stuff, and things. >>She does stuff and things.
Nakita sells herself short. You know, call for review, call for
papers is ridiculous. Because the number of people that submit
talks is enormous, and the fact that she has to wrangle every
bit of that. I just said we start planning in September, and
the reality of it is we do. Actually, Nikita has already
started planning for next year. So these are things that — I
just wanted you to get — you guys to understand that, yeah,
DEF CON is what it is. You guys play $230 and you get to enjoy
what you put into it like, Russ said, but there are a lot of
people that put a lot of stuff into it. There’s a lot that goes
into it. There are volunteers that, you know, for some people
it’s a part time job. You know, doing the vendor area, it’s a
part time job just trying to wrangle that, and that starts in
September as well. So, Alley John actually talked last year
for a panel and he gave a little bit of an experience. Alley John
is a good example of what happens when you meet people,
you know, through common experiences, but really what we
tried it do is bring Alley John into the fold, out of his shell.
(Laughter) >>ALLEY JOHN: All right. So I’ve been attending
DEF CON for six years now. The first three, I was doing Lost
Mystery Challenge, and that was one of the best things ever. You
have to interact with so many different people at so many
different skill levels, CRYPTO, different languages, Korean,
Chinese, Lock Picking, everything under the sun. So
having that connection with a whole bunch of people, amazing.
I still stay in touch with all of them. They’re in different
companies across the country, across different industries, so
if you need something a few years down the road, you can
call them up them up and be like, hey, how’s it going? I
need X. But — >>Not X. >>ALLEY JOHN: No, no, no, not what
I meant. >>Pool party. >>Thank you IO active (Laughter).
>>ALLEY JOHN: But the only other thing I have to say is I
would not be where I am today if it wasn’t for everybody in this
room. Probably not you guys specifically, but, you know,
Mike and Russ, and a whole bunch of others. So, thank you guys.
No, nothing, but I still love you. >>You know, going to take
a second, you see the sharp (Inaudible) — it says, Hi, I’m
new. I actually have a whole bunch of these shirts, and I
want to hand a few out before we get them to the, some of these
other guys, Jeremy, can you help me? >>Of course. >>Okay,
awesome. I will show you where to throw them. >>Okay. First
of all I want to say these two guys right here up front, first
group of anyone — are you first year? Second year. They tried to
pass out, the information, they were like yeah, we’re going to
help line up, can I get a goon bag — I was like wow, really?
They’re starting them that young. And then other than that,
toss that way. >>That way? (Shouting, yelling, applause
while passing pass throwing shirts.) >>All right. You
know, Jeremy and I said his name out loud a couple times. Jeremy
and I are friends, been friends for a long time. >>Who’s
Jeremy? Crypt Bitch. >>Name is Crypt Bitch. >>Don’t pee and
ask that (Laughter). >>Jeremy just has always been involved,
but not in an official capacity.>>We really can get rid of
him. We’ve been trying every year. >>So now, Jeremy is
actually involved, and I want him to give you guys an
understanding of, from his standpoint, he just involved
himself. >>Big time. >>Which is also, if you’re an awesome
person. >>I’m a good fister.>>I think a little
over-involved. >>Take a long as you would like to speak. >>
You don’t want to tell me that.>>Can I hold this little
penis? >>No? >>JEREMY: My name is Jeremy crypt. Most
people know me as crypt tier. No, not crypt ear, just crypt. I
don’t even, I don’t count number of times I’ve come, definitely
not as much as these guys, but – wow, that was brazen — nobody
got me on that. I will say that my experience at DEF CON has
been all about people. I’ve wanted to do the contests. I’ve
wanted to do everything. I get to hang out with Ryan a lot, get
lost and he always starts off talking about the contest and
then I’m like now I can’t do it. So it’s all about the people
around me, the people I’ve met, there are a lot of people, like
these two I’ll probably see them throughout the entire CON. I met
some people on registration, in the registration line, talked
for about 20 minutes, I think Jay and I did. >>Hi, I’m Jay.
>>I will say from my experience and for yours, it’s
been said a lot, but cannot be said enough is talk to the
people around you and find things to do. I’ve seen people
sit down in the hallways, especially when back when it was
at Rio, when you had the pads, they would sit right in the
middle of the floor because they had the stickers on the ground
and just sit and talk. And I just walk right up to them and
sit down and start talking. It’s one of the only places I’ve ever
been where that’s okay. And it’s actually kind of cool. I don’t
have any friends outside of CON basically, and so I come here to
meet people. Yeah, I don’t have any friends. But, yeah, so I
came a couple years ago, I think DEF CON 20, first time I was
working to help one of the artist’s here, Eddie Mize, who
is an amazing artist. He’s set up in vendor right now? Right?
>>Yeah. >>Yeah, so he’ll be setup in vendor. I had worked
with him, we made the drive from Colorado to Vegas, and I just
got to meet a lot of people as they came and bought the art.
Yes. He’s awesome. And so, with that, I then started just
meeting more and more people. I mean I worked with Russ as well,
and then, I think the next year, what, 21 is actually when my
grandmother died, that’s a sad story, I’m sorry, I just
remembered as I’m going through.>>Then 22. >>Not passed
that. No, I guess the big part is we all here want to —
apparently can’t hug any more — or how is the hugging, are we
allowing that. >>It just says ask first. >>Okay, asking for
hugs. (Laughter) Sorry, just remembered my grandmother, I’m
sorry you guys. Let’s see hugs, appreciate that. Yeah. Let’s —
I need a second. >>Let’s move on. >>Yeah. >>Jeremy is
actually a really good example, because, you know, he’s like
about half (Inaudible). He’s the opposite of me. My first two
years at DEF CON, I went in, I did CTF, I went back to my room,
that was it. I interacted with the people on my team, and that
was it. I’m scared to death to meet people. This is something
that most people don’t know about me. But it is true. I
really have a hard time. And it’s awesome to be in an area of
community where you, even if I don’t know you, that’s fine, you
can come up and chat with me and we’ll talk. But I didn’t used to
be like that. Jeremy is the opposite of that. Jeremy is the
kind of guy who will go up and talk to you. Alley John, he’d do
the same thing. So, you know, it’s a good example of being
able to be involved. There’s a common theme here —
involvement. Now, Jay, actually — >>I’m Jay — >>Hi Jay.
>>Also much like Jeremy, but without the sad story (Laughter)
— sorry. >>I’ll get in trouble for that later. He’s the
same way, Jay is also, Jay is the kind of guy that you’re
going to meet and you’re going to feel like you’ve known him
forever. I’d actually like Jay to talk to you and actually tell
you about himself, because you will feel like you’ve known him
forever. >>Can he have a mic?>>Blue or red? >>Yellow. >>
This is my second one. >>Okay. Hi, so I’m Jay, nice to meet you
everybody. We can go around the room and introduce ourselves?
(Laughter) — no? Okay. All right. So, this is actually my
second DEF CON, my first one was last year, and I came with this
guy here, Jeremy. He told me that — or crypt — I apologize,
crypt ear, not crypt ear any more. >>I hate you. >>So he
told me to come out to DEF CON, I was like, what the heck is a
DEF CON. So, he told me kind of what was involved and how
exciting it was. Does it say crypt ear? Yes. (Laughter) —
nice. That’s legit. So, came out here and I got to meet a whole
bunch of new people and to be honest it’s kind of the hacker
industry. Legislate? >>You know who gets to fix those typos
later? >>IKEA >>Me. >>Oh, do you? You fix those? >>I
edit those, yes. >>um, (speaking foreign language)
(Laughter). >>I don’t know what that even means, see what
comes up, this is fun, this is fun. We can do this all day, oh,
… >>I love you transcriber.>>All right. So anyway, again,
the whole computer crypto world, is really new to me. This is
amazing, I can’t believe it takes what I’m saying and puts
it up there. But, so I’m more of a talker, I enjoy speaking to
people and getting out there and meeting people, and I’m very
social and very easily, very easy to approach, I guess would
be best. >>Approachable, yes.>>Approachable. There’s a
world for that, there you go. I’m very approachable. Easy
going, if you ask me a question, I’ll give you an answer, but I
promise whatever you’re asking me, whatever information I give
you, I’ll get twice as much information from you. So,
please, please, be ready and be aware of that. So I did meet one
of guys here last night, he’s actually sitting over there,
Sid, right? All right. I’m pretty good with names, Billy
and — we do, anyway, so I was talking with Sid and he’s asking
a few question and giving him some pointers, and kind of
letting him know, as everybody else here said, just get
involved and go met people and talk to people, and one of
things he came up with, I thought was pretty cool was, be
curious. So, you know, curiosity is a good thing. So ask people
what’s going on. Say, hey, where’s this, how can I do that,
how does this happen, and how does this work. And be humble.
Don’t be the guy who says, you know, as Mike said, I know that
already it’s no big deal. Kind of be humble and say hey that’s
cool, I’m glad you’re teaching me something new and then, so
it’s curiosity, humility, and respect. So be respectful to
people. So, that’s the thing that I’ve learned here, if you
have those three things, I think you’ll get pretty far here.
That’s my little credo, and welcome to Sid, come on Sid,
stand up and take credit — take credit — (Applause) >>Like I
said whatever I learned from you is going to be two fold of what
you learn learned from me. So, please, come around, run up to
me, ask me what’s going on and we’ll figure it out. If you want
to know more about me later, I’ll be up here all day. >>
Awesome. The last person on this panel is Carlos, Carlos is one
of you, and I asked Carlos to do this — I met him last year,
after a panel talk, and he told me his story, and his story is
actually inspirational. To me, maybe not to you guys, but I
also, will get on my soapbox and talk about how awesome DEF CON
is, and I will talk about how awesome this talk is to those
people that are leaving. But I want Carlos to kind of tell you
a little bit about himself, tell you a little bit about his
story, and then, how he came to be involved, also. So, thanks.
>>Hi, everyone. I’m Blood. My name is Carlos actually. I’ve
been coming to DEF CON for a lot of years. And unlike the panel
here, I really never, never became involved. I came to this
place when I was 18, in order to learn English I figured out that
I could (Inaudible). Now, some of the goons and people that are
in LA have been working DEF CON for a very long time, so I was
privileged enough to meet some of them. Unfortunately my
English voice was pretty limited at the time. So, it was tough,
you know, to be there, I didn’t get my legal status was
(Inaudible) so I was in legal precedent, and it was tough.
But, you know, I scored computers, and I really liked
them, and so, somehow we figured out that there was this
conference, DEF CON, and what I did is I took a bus and I end up
here. My first DEF CON was pretty short, like maybe three
hours, four. I walked in DEF CON and I was so happy, they had
these like paper thing, and so what I did is, I walked around
and I probably looked the cleaning crew at the (Inaudible)
so I was with the guys, and it was kind of cool. And so I
walked around I just heard people, and then first thing I
heard is that there was going to be some cult, and I didn’t know
what the cult was, and it was The Cult of the Dead Cow. But
for me, it was something different. I didn’t know, for me
cult was/is evil and I cannot get rid of (Inaudible) in there,
but then I heard people talking about FEDS, and so apparently
there were going to be FEDS on the CON, some of them from the
FBI and some of them from the CIA. And so I put the two
together and I realized, boy if the FEDS are here, and we’ve got
the FBI, and the CIA, well, Immigration is here. So I
bounced. (Laughter) So it was pretty short and so I ended up
going back to the meetings for a short time. I didn’t have a car,
so I had to take the bus and make it to the meetings. But
then I stopped, I really got afraid. I thought maybe the FEDS
were there and I could risk everything. Eventually I managed
to meet some people in there and they led me to, it’s cool, and
they inspired me to purchase computer, and so I did, I got
involved and into college somehow — that’s another story,
because finally people like them, they helped me to figure
out ways to legally (Inaudible) stuff. I managed to get my
license in a lot of stuff. I tried not to cheat the system,
because I know I couldn’t do it any other way, and I try to do
it that way. So, I you really owe a lot of the 2,600 people,
the inspiration to try to do it the right way and it helped a
lot. Anyway, so my second time I was here now legally, so I
managed to get my papers and I was now a legal resident. And so
I came back, it was probably 2003, when I did my second run
of DEF CON. On the way here, I was driving with someone, he’s
really cool hacker, he’s handle is (Inaudible) and we were
driving in the car and somehow he was speeding on. We got
pulled over by the police, as he was getting a ticket I panic and
I was sweating. I really thought that something was going to
happen to me. The idea that you are automatically legal and
recommended is not physical to digest. And so for me, it was a
little tense, really, you know being in the car and thinking
oh, my God I’m going to get screwed up. But, you know, I
survived and that was one of my fun times at DEF CON. It was
trying to really digest a lot of stuff. I was still pretty shy,
but — I continue to do it for some time. Then I stopped, just
like Jeremy — >>I’m Crypt Bitch >>Sorry. >>Yeah. Yeah.
So, you know, things happen in your life, I had my sister pass,
too — (Laughter) — it really happened. >>What are you
doing? >>I’m Crypt Ear. >>Anyway’s, third time I came
here, established citizen. So I experienced DEF CON as I
transitioned through my legal status. But I (Inaudible) I was
fortunate enough to meet a lot of cool people. I know some of
those people by face, but I never engaged. And I know many
people that are not here, and I know some of them by faces from
many years that I came in, I was hiding, I was really shy and
afraid and I didn’t want to speak out because I was afraid
of my immigration, and when it came to technical stuff it was
difficult to engage. But, at some point I realized that was
not really helping, and so, what I decided to do is, you know,
come out of closet if you want to call it that, and then really
start talking to people and meet people and engage with people.
And just say, hey, I’m PlugIn, what are you into. And that
really has changed a lot. If you look around, you’re surrounded
by a lot of people that share your passion. This is about
security, technology, you’re not going to find that anywhere
else. This is your opportunity to meet people that share your
thinking that you like. You might meet someone who
(Inaudible) people in here, and if you don’t take advantage of
that, you’re really losing out. That’s one of things I learned,
you’re really losing out on some of the things that I could have
done better. Now, some of the people here, actually helped me
in my career. I got into security because of them. >>I
think we’re having that conversation — shhh. >>
(Laughter). >>Anyways, I don’t want to really bore you, but,
(Laughter) you know the point is that I understand what it’s like
to be here for the first time. I got some misfortunes and I find
a way to overcome them, and I met interesting people like Mike
and now I’m meeting more of them. And so it’s fun actually
when you get to meet people and have fun, if you go out there
and meet people at the bar, have a drink and what not. So, you
know, have fun, engage with people, go to places. If you
don’t want to do something, just find something to do. I’ll be
here volunteering, if you want to come by and say hi, please,
do. I don’t know if I’m talking too long. >>You’re good
(Laughter). >>I don’t want to grab the mic, but I will tell
you some other story because this is how I got my handle. And
I think handles are something that kind of got lost along I
way. When I did the first DEF CON, someone asked me, well — I
could not even pronounce it to be honest. I had to sell it —
so — anyway’s. There was another the (Inaudible) from LA.
Not to do with the one from here, he was Mexican American I
believe, and he’s the one that kind of schooled me on what to
handle, because I said, hey, I’m Carlos, and he said dude
(Inaudible) so I came up with again something else — and it
was really good. So, it just kind of went like that. but,
there was some other guy, he’s handle name was Ghent,
G-H-E-N-T, probably some of the goons here — he was, really
awesome person, and the way that I got my handle is one day, he
was say, hi, I’m Ghent, — I didn’t know what to say. So I
looked down and there was a bunch of power cables, and the
first thing that came to my mine is hey, I’m Plug. It was easy
thing for me to say. I didn’t really like that, and then it
stuck. And so I want to tell you that story because nicknames or
handles are important. When I came here, it was difficult to
pretend myself, but to handle is, one that goes with you, it’s
your alter ego, and in my case as an immigrant that was
perfect. (Inaudible) in all of year that’s I’ve come here, I’ve
never, never, ever encountered someone asking me where I’m
from. >>Oh, really. >>This is one of the best things, it’s
like, no one comes to say, hey are you from this place or that
place. So — >>People from like Microsoft(r) or
(Inaudible). >>Maybe the vendors, they do want to know
where you’re from, but if you’re here at the CON, it doesn’t
matter, you’re here and you’re here. You’re a geek, tech geek,
or tech, whatever you want to call yourself. We’re here
because we love security. Or — something. >>We’re going to go
ahead into the handles. >>All right. So, we’re going to go
into handles. I think I spoke too much. Like you, I understand
and so, please, do engage. You know, talk to these people. And
before I leave the mic I really want to say, thank you very
much. Because these people, spent a lot of time putting
together this for you guys. So I think we should give them a
round of applause. What do you think? (Applause). >>So Plug
actually did bring up a pretty important point. I have been
calling everybody by their name, except for Crypt Ear. >>Crypt
Ear? (Laughter). >>Nothing. So your handle is kind of, this is
a story about you, this is your badge of honor. Some people try
to make up their own handle. And that rarely works. Now, if you
say I am, as an example — >>Death Lord slasher band. >>
(Inaudible) >>It doesn’t work.>>How many morph’s are out
there right now. >>I found one. >>Or anything else, you
want to be something unique. Russ’s handle is Vertigo. It’s a
fun story, he’ll tell you if he wants to. >>It’s great fun.
>>The story as Plug, my handle is Wise Acre and it actually
came from when I used to work at SCIC — and, they were trying to
get into computer security, and they put out a brochure, that
said, Black Acre Where Security Lives and it was ridiculous, it
was absolutely the worst thing that I had ever seen. So I put
together one that said Wise Acre Where the Smart Ass Lives, and
published it. And eventually that became my handle. Alley
John though, Alley John tried really hard to be Revolver. But
he can’t be Revolver, because when we met him, he was hanging
out over at black hat, first time that I met him and he was
wearing a lab coat, and he looked like a miniature version
of Joe (Inaudible) (Laughter) King Pin. So we tried to figure
out how do get Alley John a nickname that reflects a
miniature King Pin. We tried Baby Pin, Diaper Pin, your name
needs to be fast, you need to be able to say it fast. Push Pin.
Alley John is now Push Pin. So what we’re going do, is I’m
going to take ten volunteers from the audience, before you
volunteer, sir, understand that there’s a good possibility that
we’re going to pick on you. Because what you’re going to do
is, you’re going to go up to the mic and you’re going to tell
everybody in this room five things about you, that people
may or may not know. And I don’t want to know what language you
do program in; I don’t want to know how awesome you are at
Destiny; what I want to know is some things about you as a
person, Jeremy might want to know about Destiny, that way you
guys can play each other — so Jeremy is going to help me out.
And, I would like to get five volunteers who can tell a story.
And I’m going to give an example. >>I thought you said
ten. >>Ten people, five things, okay. Here is one thing
about me. I am a cancer survivor, anybody here that has
ever heard of the phrase “cancer brain,” it is true. It is a real
thing. And you can feel free to laugh. This is one of those
things where — >>Happened to my grandmother– >>I
(Laughter) — I love you clutch — don’t be an ass hat. >>
They’re all trying to follow the rules, you’re not helping. >>I
also had a heart attack a few years ago. And as a result —
(Someone hackling) >>(Laughter) (Laughter)
(Laughter). >>As a result — these are funny things. Thank
you. Nobody else is participating. I had my heart
attack in the doctor’s office, which was actually kind of fun.
I was in line at the pharmacy to pick up some drugs, and I had a
heart attack, and actually on the way to the hospital, my
phone goes off it, buzzes and I actually check it, because it
was a 30 minute ride to hospital, you know, they had me
on life support and it was my friend (Inaudible) texting me
because I had not picked the name of my dental team, he went
ahead and named it code blue. (Laughter) (Applause) >>So
when I come out of surgery, because they put a stint in, I
come out of surgery and my wife says, do you want to let the
people know that you’re doing okay? Here is your phone. First
person I called was Jeff. She says are you sure you don’t want
to call your family? I was like, no this is too good. So, you
know, you already know that I’m scared to death, but you heard I
have a lemon for a body, my friends often tell me it’s rule
number two, for me, it’s going to take a (Inaudible) to kill
me. Anybody want to venture what a good nickname would be for me
besides Wise Acre. >>Third times a charm (Laughter) >>
Throw her a shirt. >>You’re going to have to come up for
your shirt. >>Seriously, one of things you want to do with a
handle is just be able to right off the top. Third time’s a
charm might be a little bit too long, when you call me on the
phone. >>( shouts from the crowd). >>There you go, see.
Now everybody understands how this game is played. So we’re
going to have them go ahead and we’re going to take our ten
volunteers. Each of the volunteers are going to say five
things about them themselves and then we’re all going to, the
panel is going to try and bestow a nickname. We are happy to take
volunteers from the audience to also bestow nicknames, please,
do not just simply say something and then put Kitty at the end.
You want it volunteer? All right. I’ll let you be the first
one. Can you guys help wrangle the volunteers, Jeremy. >>Yes.
>>All right, so, raise your hands. Let’s see. You in here,
because we want to have a little diversity. I like the guy back
here with the beard. >>Do we all just go pick someone? >>
Yeah. >>Hey Jeremy. >>How about that guy right there.
Yeah, you. That guy. I pick him.>>That’s going to be fun. >>
We got ten? All right. So let’s go ahead and start. Please,
introduce yourself. >>I’m from the Pacific Northwest; I’ve been
to the Antarctica; I’m an autodidact; I’ve been playing
with computers longer than I can count, but I know squat. >>
Diddly. >>She said she plays with computers. >>Squat. >>
Actually, if you could come up, I would like to give you a
shirt. >>Diddly. Give her a hand. (Applause). >>Diddly
parenthetical squat. >>If you could come up. Everybody give
diddly a round — (Applause).>>If you want, diddly is
available after the show, you can talk. You can tell her how
to use computers. All right. Next. >>Okay. I’m from New
York; I going to run the New York City marathon for the first
time this year; I have four kids; I would never usually be
up here, but since you all said to participate, I’m
participating. So it’s completely out the character,
completely, completely, and I have a twin sister that would be
up here — she would choose — completely outgoing. So — >>
Interesting. Yeah. >>We need a little bit more information. >>
Sure. I started off kind of hacking when I was a kid, and
then got married, had kids, and just got back to it within a
year or so ago, I was doing like math teaching, college math. >>
Chaser. I like that. >>That sounds good. I like that.
(Applause). >>Come on up, I’ve got a shirt for you, too.
Thank you very much. Let’s all — (Applause) — >>Hi, so,
let’s see. I just moved to the Seattle area from Baltimore,
Maryland; I was an army brat growing up, so I got to live all
over the world. New development in my life, so when I was
younger I was actually studying classical music, and I dropped
out to take care of my mother who is also a cancer survivor,
moved back to the farm, took care of her for a while, moved
to Baltimore, got back to school, and I just finished as
Master’s Degree in computer forensics, and it’s the first
Master’s Degree in my family, it’s kind of a big deal. >>
That’s kind of awesome. What do you do for fun? >>I like
hiking; I like yoga; oh, and I’m actually, my mentor actually
called me paddle one, but it’s hilarious to me because I’m a
total trekkie. (Laughter). >>B & E. That’s awesome story. You
are B & E for fun. >>Awesome. (Applause). >>One more? Try
again she says. Yeah. So — I gave a shirt to a friend and he
looked at it and he’s like — are these in European sizes?
(Laughter) >>Hi, first security conference for me. So
kind of nervous. I’m allergic to a lot of things. I’m the reason
you guys can’t eight peanuts on the airplane, lettuce, which is
strange, and people usually don’t believe me. But, see I was
really resentful when my parents made me eat my veggies as a kid,
until we figured out what was going on there. I really like
snow boarding, and used to college race boats. >>Epi. >>
If you hear epi, just no peanuts. >>Are you allergic to
cotton? >>(Laughter). >>There you go. Again, thank you,
epi. (Applause). >>All right. I’m sure that you’ve got a good
story for us, sir. >>I got involved in hacking, because my
things were always breaking. And that just wasn’t okay. I like to
people watch. I’m curiosity driven. I’m in front of a mic,
and wow this is interesting. >>Okay, tell us, what do you do
for fun? >>Computers, primarily. >>That means you at
least get out a little bit. What else do you do? >>One track,
there you go. I’m liking this, we’re going to shelf that one
for a second. You know, tell us a little bit more about
yourself. How did you get here, and who are you here with. >>I
actually managed to sell my employer that this was good
professional development. (Applause). >>Are you here by
yourself. >>No, I actually got one of my co-workers here with
me. It’s not his first time though. >>Okay. Well,
fantastic. I actually do like one track. Because, you know, it
does kind of, you are focused, sir. That’s going to be good.
>>Yeah, okay. >>Sound good?>>Yup — I like it. >>Thank
you for all your participation. Welcome One Track. (Applause).
>>Any time now. >>Yeah. >>There’s a lot of space between
you and that mic, sir. >>Yeah, you may need to step up. >>
Thank you, closer, closer, open your mouth, closer (Laughter).
>>All right. Okay. So I’m relatively new to the security
field. I just started this past year; it was my junior year in
college; I got in involved in U-Dub Tacoma Security Group and
then got involved up in U-Dub Seattle, and I’m actually coming
from U-Dub Seattle with a bunch of U-Dub guys. I’m majoring in
computer science, — shout out to the guy before me, I’m very
into (inaudible) and play a lot of commander — so, yeah. >>We
need to come up with a couple questions. Let’s see. (Audience
– inaudible) >>Do you have your cards? >>I do not have my
cards, but the one commander deck that I play is based off of
(Inaudible) it’s green/white creatures deck. >>What’s the
complicated name you gave your deck? >>Car Metra’s Creatures
Crew. >>(Laughter). >>I like it, CQ. I’m assuming they’re all
C’s? You’re no longer Magic Mic, apparently, you’re CQ, welcome
CQ to the community. (Laughter). (Applause). >>All right. You,
sir, have to have a new story.>>Hopefully I do, this is my
first time with the conference. I’m originally from Jamaica; I
love motorcycles, actually have four. I actually, funny you
know, I got into security by accident, when I got my first
computer when he was ten years old, I vowed never to learn
hacking because I didn’t want to go to jail. Coincidentally, I
started learning it at a (Inaudible) agency, so now I do
it for a living. Fun stuff, I mean, like I said, I love my
motorcycle riding; I love sports; I’ve played soccer;
always get asked why don’t I play basketball; I don’t really
like basketball. But that’s the bulk of it. >>What position do
you play? >>Normally I’m in midfield to the fence when I
play soccer, but I can switch around depending — >>This one
is going to be a little special to us. It is, and I’ll explain
in a second. It’s going to be epitome — and it’s because we
have a lot people that we love in this CON and some, one of
artists especially, who is her husband, and we have Mare who
actually did all the art work for this, and you look like the
epitome of what they draw when they draw a hacker. (Applause).
>>Thank you very much. I appreciate it. >>Hello,
everyone. I’m from Miami, I guess it goes without saying
that I was a little nervous walking up here until I heard
that a lot of you guys are into fisting so, so — >>Kids,
cover your eyes. >>I guess a few things; I like hats; I
definitely like dancing, so I might be that guy that you see
in the hallways, and I’m not twitching or anything like that
— just like. >>Let’s see something. >>Put on some music
— I don’t do it for free — (Music Playing) — dancing.
(Applause). >>Pretty good, I like that. >>Wiggles? >>No.
>>That’s a nickname that you could wear with pride. Are you
good with that one? >>Yes. >>I would own the crap out of
that. Mr. Wiggles. Mr. Wiggles. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. >>
We’re fisting. I forgot that, sir. >>Mr. Wiggles. >>I love
it. >>First thing about me — my memory is so bad I wrote down
things about myself in case I forgot them by the time I got up
here. But I’m not nervous because public speaking doesn’t
bother me. I’ve seen 106 Metallic shows in 13 countries.
I had long hair longer than I’ve had short hair. I didn’t meet by
brothers until I was eight. I nearly went into singing instead
of computers. Oh, and I ride a Harley. >>We’re good. >>Push
Pin and I said it the same time. OP, over prepared. (Applause).
>>Hi, this is my first DEF CON, I don’t actually work in
computers, I write for video games, that’s pretty great. I
first learned about DEF CON in, — >>Are you telling us that
it’s pretty great? >>I am telling you, it’s really great.
>>I accept. >>Transaction complete. I learned about DEF
CON when I was reading an OK sci-fi book, I think in like
1999. It was called Wyrm. I don’t know if you ever read
that. >>You got mumbled at the end. >>I learned about DEF CON
in a sci-fi book that first came out in 1999. It’s called the
Wyrm by Mark Fabi. >>One more time. >>Wyrm. >>Wyrm, WYRM.
>>From the beginning now. >>Stop it. >>Nevermind. It
doesn’t matter. Doesn’t matter. It’s okay. Simon does? He’s
older than Mike. He took it right out. >>I used to be a
high school English teacher, and decided I would much rather make
video games. >>One of my favorite people is a high school
English teacher. >>More power to him, I could not do it. >>
Should we just call him Melani? (Laughter). >>What about only
dude. >>Only dude. >>Are good with that? >>No. >>Keep
going. >>Okay, anyway, I moved something like 2,300 miles to
make games instead of teach kids. And, when I got to
California, I went to buy a car, and, instead of buying a car I
decided I was going to bright green suit of armor instead, and
I have been very happy with it.>>So you quit teaching, and
started video games and you bought a suit of armor. >>That
is exactly what happened. >>I’m so perplexed by you. >>I
want to hang out with him. >>I know. Do you have a picture of
you in a suit of armor. >>I will show you later, yes. It’s
my dating profile picture. (Laughter). (Applause). >>I
thought — I’ve seen the all. POF, please, tell me it’s Plenty
Of Fish. >>I will show you later. >>I will find you. I’m
not going to kill you though.>>Match? >>POF? >>I still
don’t like it. I almost want to say perplexed. Who has a
thesaurus. >>Convolute. >>Green suit? >>I don’t know
what that means. >>One at a time? >>Armor Greivs. >>That
was just a small part of his story. Whoever dates him is
going to do it because of that. So it’s got to be dating. >>
I’m perplexed. >>No you’re crypt. >>Oh, thank you. >>
Oh, now he gets it right. >>I don’t know — I’m out of this
one. I’m washing my hands. I want to see that picture, but
I’m washing my hands of this one. >>Bring the picture up.
>>Jolly Green Giant. Bring the picture you want to see the
picture now. >>Yeah, bring the picture. >>Green Knight.
(Applause). >>He’s going to take a minute and bring up his
profile picture. Can we get that picture on the projector? >>
Who’s got a thumb drive? We’ll figure out a way to get that up
there. >>This is amazing guys. This is awesome. It says hell,
yes. This is amazing. Mel, you’re an English teacher,
right? Describe this to us. >>It looks like he’s wearing like
yellow knee pads and spiky shoulders. >>Not on your life,
sir. Thank you. >>It’s pretty great. Yeah, it’s great. >>
It’s so legit, right? I can’t believe that. >>Green Knight.
(Applause). >>Totally double dog dare everybody here. Reach
out, find somebody with something in common that you
don’t already know. And make a friend, you know. Do something,
get yourself involved, because that’s what makes this
conference fun, and you know, please, whoever, if you
participated today, thank you, because it’s absolutely awesome.
Because it’s not, that’s not the kind of thing that most people
do and to be able to get up and tell the story and have us
address you and give you your nickname, please, wear it with
pride. >>Can I say something real quick. >>Yup. >>Okay. A
lot of people ask, how can I get involved. How can I be a goon.
And the answer is, you know, officially, well we like to
promote people we trust. So the only way to gain that trust is
experience. If you want to help, if you want to be involved in
something, you have to take the leap and interact with other
people. Especially those in charge and say — what do you
need. And not always, I know a lot of people would be like,
what the fuck — why is she saying this. Don’t wait to be
told what to do, the best way to help is to step in and say I can
help you with that, or I can go get that for you, and once you
do that, you help somebody else, you break the ice, you make
friends. I can’t tell you how many newbs I’ve met, and my
husband has met, and my friends have met that are now gooning.
They showed up, they got involved, they interacted,
they’re gooning. Here is one here right behind you, it’s his
second year. >>Number two. >>And once, he’s a goon — because
— >>That’s his handle. >>Because if you have the
motivation and the drive and the spirit to make this CON what you
want it to be, because it’s what you make it. If you don’t like
something, do something about it. Don’t just complain, do
something about it. Join. Say, hey, have you ever thought of
doing it this way, or have you ever thought about having a
village for this, or a contest for this, or an event for that.
Just step up and if you’re, you know, a cool person, then you
end up like this asshole behind me. Oh, I’m sorry, I’m not
suppose to be cursing. >>All right, we’re going to go ahead,
we’ve got a few minutes briefly for questions. Stand up, please.
>>There’s an international meet up tomorrow (Inaudible).
>>What’s the question — it’s Jeopardy, frame it in the form
of a question, please. >>(Inaudible). >>I will talk
about that. >>Hey, if you have a question. >>International
Meet up tomorrow, 6 p.m., in the chill out space. It says on the
back of the card, it’s dangerous to go alone, meet up. >>Hey,
if you have a question, use the mic so everyone can hear you.
>>Thank you, Jeremy. >>That’s why we put them here, and
they’re all over the CON now, you now have a voice, too.
(Applause). >>Feel so motivated. >>(Inaudible). >>
Thank you. If got given a handle, please, come see me
before you leave. Did everybody get that? If got given a handle,
please, see me before you leave. Any other questions? You sir,
stand up. >>There’s a whole bunch of junk — >>It’s
canceled tomorrow, every year that happens, and this year they
actually put a lot of effort into it, I like the whole
webpage with the facts, that actually was kind of fun. But
no, DEF CON is not canceled. You sir? >>(Inaudible). >>Yeah,
get there early, that’s really the only advice that we can give
you. If you see that something is good, try to get there early.
Attend the previous talk, attend that talk and see what it’s
like, you know, you might find that the talk in advance is
something interesting. >>So, I’m going to jump in here for a
second, while that decent advice, as an operations guy, I
will tell you, last year we had 165,000 square feet. We have
320,000 square feet this year. We also have a (Inaudible) a lot
more desks, everything is pre-bagged thanks to Jay and
Crypt Ear, I’m never letting that go. So, those lines that
you’re having issues with are going to go very, very quickly.
If you guys fill those rooms, I will be shocked, incredibly
shocked. >>(Inaudible). >>All right. One more question —
>>That is a good question. Russ? Ten. Honestly, >>What
time does villages open tomorrow? >>Thank you, Jay.
>>I didn’t even see your lips move. >>Oh, my goodness. >>
The answer is 10. >>Thanks guys, I appreciate it,
everybody, if you have additional questions, some see
me. I’ll see you all at opening ceremonies tomorrow.

1 Comment

Zoe S17 [Laughing Coffin]

Dec 12, 2015, 9:05 am Reply

Never been but watched the whole archive up to this point. Thank you for all you guys do. I'm all self taught but I need to meet people and learn more. I am trying to get a decent rig and save up enough to go soon.

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